Even Sproul (who you quoted earlier) does so by saying The circumstances by which God the Holy Spirit unleashed [Christs] power were not available there, because there was a judgment of God on the town of Nazareth. Second Person: just like in English, the subject of the verb. This describes his nature, just as soul the combination of body and spirit describes ours. The question is whether Steven Furtick was RIGHT or WRONG when he claimed that Jesus wanted to do more (seems reasonable) but WAS THWARTED (utterly heretical). Lysa TerKeurst is a member of Elevation Church, that's Steven Furtick's church. There are no internal relationships in the Godhead but thats contrary to a whole bunch of clear passages of Scripture. MANY are quietly doing exactly that: being used by God to grow His kingdom. Lets see what the apostle John says in 2 John 1: Anyone who runs ahead and does not continue in the teaching of Christ does not have God; whoever continues in the teaching has both the Father and the Son. Ethnicity & Nationality. Dont bother commenting or emailing me about how Im just wrong. I agree with you on Steven Furtick and have warned several friends about him. Heres something we can know with certainty: Gods power was not trapped in their perspective. Thats the direction of Furticks point, and its plain and simple evidence that hes comfortable pouring his own meaning INTO the text (eisegesis) rather than deriving Gods meaning OUT OF the text (exegesis). Thats not an indication of limitation, and the very idea contradicts the rest of what God reveals about Himself in all of Scripture. 9:23,24. I hope that you wont take my word for it, Kathleen. Thats the issue as far as I am concerned. This is an ancient heresy that has been condemned throughout church history. He made them all go outside. This was about 50% of all the recorded Furtick's in USA. Paul, you say, needed to be humbled. As does Satan. Because I know my God. Is that the standard we find in the New Testament? It literally means He came out from my inside the Father. This is where you read a section of the Bible and you ask what is says. As a teacher, Steven Furtick should be avoided. The context doesnt suggest that God lost any ability due to Israels actions the context tells us that God responded as He said He would. Furtick taught as Ive shown that the people of Nazareth lacked faith, and it was their lack of faith that trapped Jesus power to heal. How did God respond? The Greek word translated did is, Furticks focus is not on the events outlined in the text, but on the belief of those around Jesus as the limiting factor in His ability to do miracles. Yes, breaking the law was a big deal and He did not break the law for love, but rather fulfilled the law to show love, to us who have. Of course, youve already made up your mind. Its not power inside of us that saves us. The Father is spirit. No, that is most definitely NOT what Jesus said. We cant create worlds out of nothing. Jesus, clearly, claimed to be God and His disciples taught that. Lets pretend for a moment that youre right, though. We need to be careful to avoid presuming Gods mind. Furtick along with virtually every other Word of Faith teacher says that God is dependent on us to do work here on earth, and in our own lives. This is also false. For God so loved the Brits that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. Ernest Angley made the same kind of claim: By begging God in fear, doubt, despair, rather than asking in faith, He is limited. As with all Word of Faith teachers, this demotes God to a subordinate position and elevates man to a superior position. If I like a soft drink and tell people its good, they might drink it too and find out later that the company is run by terrible people who eat babies and torture puppies. I really appreciate your conclusion as it shows compassion and love. Is it because Steven Furtick tickles YOUR itching ears? What do you think? My identity isnt a secret. Matthew 9:29. Such a belief betrays a surface-level reading of Mark 6:5 and a failure to consider Jesus wider ministry. That makes us more powerful than God. "Although Furtick says this is a miracle, it's not a miracle," Duncan said. What do you do when someone asks you whether a teacher is reliable or unreliable? The most common error among Word of Faith teachers and that includes Steven Furtick is to give us the power. Jakes and Steven Furtick. Youre asking him to critique an unbiblical perspective. Thats why I work hard to use Scripture and a false teachers own words, rather than just post my opinions about them. What gives you the right to say who is or is not of God? My father used to say that people rarely and almost never amass large amounts of money and wealth without deceptive practices. But that miracle, that blessing is then construed as Gods approval of the sin that brought it about. If your point is that hes not a false teacher, then you must agree with these things or at least think theyre inconsequential. Is it okay to sing the songs, but not go to the concert? We are made in Gods image, but as God said there is no one like Him. As no, it is not a logical and biblical explanation that He chooses to act under certain circumstances, and to not act in others, as God is not the author of confusion 1 Corinthians 14:33, and that would be the height of it, as even in your question: Furtick's house will be more than 8,500 square feet of heated space, with nearly that many more feet of porches, pavilions, and garages. The text clearly indicates that. In other words, God mostly withheld His power from the stiff-necked people who held Jesus in contempt.. Thanks, Again, thanks. It is not OUR FAITH that allows us to be healed. But that you may know that the Son of man has power on earth to forgive sins, (then saith he to the sick of the palsy,) Arise, take up your bed, and go unto your house. Matthew 9:5,6. This is not the God of the Bible, its someone else entirely. The miracles of Jesus bore witness to His identity as the Son of God, but the people in Nazareth had rejected Him. The helpful information isnt the problem, of course. This makes no sense, of course but it does help Furtick set up more on the little gods doctrine. The Father existed, and the Son existed, and the Holy Spirit existed, before anything was created. How do you explain the trinity? Along the way, you might ask something like this: What do you say to people who believe that God is only one person, who just shows up in different forms at different times?. No, this wont do. He did not make us multiple personality beings, but made us in HIS image. This belief isnt like saying that children should be baptized, or like thinking that Christians would be better off being kosher. Can not get any clearer than that! Husband- Steven Furtick. If our lack of faith prevented Him from acting, then nobody could be saved ever, is not copacetic with the many scripture that point to the need of both hearing (His drawing) and believing, as it is hearing the Gospel of our salvation that prompt faith to act on it; Crispus, the chief ruler of the synagogue, believed on the Lord with all his house; and many of the Corinthians hearing believed, and were baptized. He restored the son of the man who cried out, I believe; help my unbelief! (9:24). This is what happens when we put ourselves into the text. The one who breaks the Law is a sinner. The term family is singular. A lot of people disagree with me, but theres TONS of good music out there. Yes, I agree with everything you said. You and I arent in Gamaliels situation. Is anything too hard for me? I do sincerely appreciate you taking the time to write. It might or might not limit what He WILL do, but lets not pretend that God cannot do a thing because you or I lack the faith that He can do it. Christians are to be Torah-observant, except for sacrificing animals. That Jesus was speaking only about Revelation. What happens when the group that created your favorite worship song comes to town and gives a concert, and teaches and preaches throughout the concert? Instead, we see in Scripture that God is sovereign, that there are none like Him, that there are none above Him, and so on. Not as far as doctrine goes, as it is salvation by grace, through faith Thanks. I would never ask you to take my word for anything I simply want to point you to the Scriptures. It would be a mistake to apply these penalties to any other passage of Scripture, as the context will not allow us to do so. Id like to ask you some very direct questions, and hope that youll be straightforward in your answer: Do you consider Steven Furtick a false teacher, or not? Quite obviously, God was NOT telling Moses that he was as God is. Instead, God gave Moses a message for the Israelites: he was being sent by I Am. Not only does Furticks teaching not match this passage of Scripture, he contradicts it directly. Do you agree with him when he says that God is a molecular structure that fills all in all, and that thats what it means to say that Christ was from the beginning? I plan to study it thoroughly with my husband. As soon as I started explaining why we should consider people like Steven Furtick to be false teachers, my traffic DOUBLED. You can also subscribe without commenting. Here is what I found: Unfortunately, thats where it ends. I just want the truth which I believe I can only find through prayer, study and revelation. If you have faith, they claim, your faith gives you the power to do amazing things. My children hear them and see them and agree sometimes and dont see the pitfalls. The order is wrong. But we know Christ is near and and LTrain is close to his reward," read Pastor Furtick's message earlier in the day that he had titled "Dad's final round with ALS. There are countless clear statements like these in Scripture, and Oneness theology pretty much denies them all. Of course, those are entirely irrelevant as to whether hes a false teacher. But hes sloppy in his enthusiasm. Its the established position of Scripture and the witness of millions of faithful Christians throughout history: God CAN heal, but He might not and we dont have the power to override His decisions. But, remember that everything we receive of God is by faith (Romans 5:2), through faith (Ephesians 2:8), as we know, without faith it is impossible to please Godand Matthew 13:58 is indicative of this. I also have no doubt I could be friends with Furtick, given the opportunity. This too goes beyond Scripture to the point of contradicting Jesus words. Steven Furtick Popularity Most Popular #20766 Religious Leader #20 First Name Steven #24 Born in Moncks Corner, SC #2 42 Year Old Pisces #19 Pisces Religious Leader #3 That doesnt mean that we should remain unaware of whats going on around us, or that we should ignore those who teach falsely in the name of Jesus. Those are all from a single passage in John 5. Thanks! If Im wrong, show me. Galatians 3:13 says, Christ has (past tense) redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us. The curse includes every sickness and every disease (Deuteronomy 28:15-68). Im not chastising you, but making a point for all to see that the text is our source, and our interpretations should be entirely dependent on the text. The word is sozo, and its used here as a future passive indicative second-person singular word. Well, enough wrangling. Right, they can go hear Wommack themselves and learn how, God is able to do exceeding abundantly but it is according to the power that works in us,.. just as Jesus spoke to this, when he told the woman who had touched the hem of his garment (or tassels) and was healed, yet, while she being under threat for breaking the law (Leviticus 15:19), not only could she not ask him to heal her, she was not even allowed to touch him, or even be there in the crowd. Tony, Will be a week or so. Your dissatisfaction with church as usual is a GOOD thing. If the gospel matters, then teaching it as it was handed down matters. With respect, youre wrong on both. Second, we know that the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God. Rip down your character by listening to Satan. By grace ye are saved, and that is a mighty work, but it is through faith, (Eph. Its good that I leave in physical form because then I can give you in spiritual form, then I can direct you from a deeper place.. If you have something to say, include Scripture. Would you bring an unsaved friend to an Elevation concert? You agree that Christians do not have power over God. Unbelief in Nazareth somehow kept Christ from doing all that He could. Praise God! Ill give you another shot at a one-word response. Examples include, a choir, a team, an audience, a congregation, a couple, etc. If Furtick is right, then the Law was ignored in favor of love and so Jesus did not take our place. Youre wise to combine the different gospel accounts to reconcile our beliefs. The ceremonial laws addressed uncleanliness. I have 1 simple question, 1st question for now what is the 1 and only way to heaven? My comment is about the comments here. Gamaliel didnt know whether this new sect of Jesus-followers was from God or not. Thanks for your comment. You said you could not find any Bible that translates it in any other way than did., yet CEB says; Ive been wondering why people say hes a false teacher. Also as Christians, let us be humble and love one another. If you throw the ball, you are not the ball. For if you do these things, you will never stumble, and you will receive a rich welcome into the eternal kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. I appreciate this post very much; you walked through and explained things very well. They elevate men and demote God, and this really is a good example of it. He was making himself known by his visual works of power, as he told the evil hearted Scribes ; For whether is easier, to say, your sins be forgiven you; or to say, Arise, and walk? >> So no, modalism is not a false doctrine. Yes, I have the final word on what gets published, but that only applies when people are being unduly combative or promoting things I cant promote. The other method is known as eisegesis, or reading into Scripture. He has three children with his wife Holly named Abbey, Elijah and Graham. We are as youre aware saved by grace, through faith and this is NOT from ourselves, it is the gift of God. Youre asking for advice, rather than advising. Theres nothing left for Him to do. I tried to reply on our original discussion, but did not allow it. I mean plainly and obviously do you believe that God is ever POWERLESS to do what He wants in any given situation because your decision RENDERS Him powerless? The Father sends the Holy Spirit after Jesus goes back to Him, and so on. Dont pretend that you know my heart, either. My question is about Elevation music do you think we ought to sing their songs at home or in church? Steven Furtick is a well-known author of religious books such as Sun Stand Still, Crash the Chatterbox and Crash. The only relevant question is whether Steven Furtick responsibly teaches what Jesus taught. Where the Bible is clear, we should adhere to it. If only the apostle Paul had known what Kenneth Copeland, Steven Furtick, Joyce Meyer, and Andrew Wommack know. Thanks for trying to help. That we should ignore his false teaching is not. For by the grace given me I say to every one of you: Do not think of yourself more highly than you ought, but rather think of yourself with sober judgment, in accordance with the faith God has distributed to each of you. Thats not who I am. If you think faith has nothing to do with folks getting healed, the woman healed from an issue of blood shows just how by ones faith, power is drawn from God. Nevertheless, I think it is an attitude that should be addressed. I would like to read them.. Andrea: As you might imagine, it takes time to write about what other people teach so while there arent many articles about specific people, you can find them on the List of False Teachers. Rather than having a biblical perspective, they teach what is essentially magic. I have no idea what goes on in his head, but I do know that he teaches things that contradict Scripture indisputable things. Theres nothing wrong with that. All three took part in creation. He's built a church empire with his "feel good" preaching, attractive worship, and excellent packaging. But thought I had read something about TD Jakes now realizing modalism is wrong. Pastor Steven Furtick. It reminded me of conversations I have often had concerning Christs fulfillment of the law. We are not kept in the dark about the truth of the gospel. I dont mean that you might create a circumstance where God would be less than pleased about your cooperation with Him. If the Father sends the Son, the Father is not the Son. Right, Jesus did miracles to show he was God the Son, as in, When Jesus heard that, he said, This sickness is not unto death, but for the glory of God, that the Son of God might be glorified thereby. These were not unbelievers, but believed and even asked for Jesus to come heal Lazarus. What can we say about these people? I dont have an aversion to faith folks. You and I have a responsibility to the gospel as it was once and for all handed down: Dear friends, although I was very eager to write to you about the salvation we share, I felt compelled to write and urge you to contend for the faith that was once for all entrusted to Gods holy people. The Bible is about God, and we learn about Him and about ourselves by reading it. Instead, its modalism: the unbiblical idea that God is ONE person that appears to us in different modes, or manifestations. My Father is always at his work to this very day, and I too am working. God is not limited in what He can do. In John 4 Jesus healed a noblemans son in spite of his lack of faith and Jesus did it without the permission and, ostensibly the faith, of the son. I would rather be saved , on my way to heaven and be ignorant of some biblical truths than be a man of knowledge but yet unconverted. See for yourself what the Bible says. No, Im not aware of him teaching on sin and repentance. Steven was given the name Larry Stevens Furtick Jr. on February 19th, 1980 in Moncks Corner, South Carolina. Moreover, the Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgment to the Son, that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father. Romans 12:3. (That's two behind Michael Jordan and two ahead of retired Bank of America CEO Hugh McColl.) Sometimes we automatically have guilt by association. Steven Furtick Height and Body Measurements He stands at an average height of 5 feet 9 inches tall, he weighs 72 kg. Oneness theology isnt simply monotheism. Id love to hear how it goes, Mary! But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.
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