A very fun round to shot and easy for my daughter to handle. The IMR 4198 with a minimum charge of 53.7 grs under a 300 gr. I worked up a load for a Barnes 55gr HP with 4198 this weekend. The .223 Remington is America's favorite cartridge according to rifle and ammunition sales. and 222 Rem. IMR 4198 is a relatively fast burning powder for the .223 Remington. It's a very versatile powder with many applications. Burn rates range from IMR 4198 (fastest) to CFE 223 (slowest). For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. If you wanted a longer range varmint load use the 53 V-max and 8208. POWDERS. A ball powder is superior in such applications over a stick powder. lol. It worked great. I think you will find much better results with a ball powder, A-2230, H-335, W-748, etc. Not saying whether or not I tried the IMR in a AR? 0000023906 00000 n I tried some 4198 and can shoot clover leafs at 50 yards (with XS sights even !) Select data that corresponds with a rifles twist rate to achieve top performance. 0000013745 00000 n Its still a port pressure problem. of IMR-4198. Some report that it takes maximum charges to make their AR's extract and pick up the next round from the magazine. Imr. In either a bolt action or an AR, the chamber and bore may be cut tight or loose. My pacific Rifle powder measure'r doesn't seem to mind metering it. I always grab what I can when I see it for sale. We continue to prioritize our shipments to our traditional sales channels to maximize powder availability at retailers. It may or may not cycle. This donation drive helps fund Cast Boolits for an entire year, and helps support our 2nd amendment rights! This fast burning rifle powder gives outstanding performance in cartridges like the 222 Remington, 221 Fireball, 45-70, and 450 Marlin. Thats not to say its just as easy to stuff a 77-grain bullet into the heaviest case youre reloading atop a full charge of BL-C(2) as it is with the lightest piece of brass in the batch. IMR-4198 is probably too slow for most uses in the 450b.--Bob. respective bolt-action designs in the 223 Remington. Much slower from AR's. Were I to acquire a 223 I'd start with IMR-4198.and probably never have to look back. 4198 with a 55 gr. One of the three most accurate rifles I ever owned. It is also outstanding in cartridges like the 444 Marlin and 7.62 X 39. 0000001080 00000 n Location and size of the port has a direct effect. of IMR4198 and 52gr bullets. Most other manufacturers list it only up to 52 grain bullets. 1Ki2 =zruz3Y%$dRxu#SD2(?M? data showing how varying the bulletseating depth improved accuracy in his bolt actions. Maybe you'll have no issues but lot's do with 4198 powders in AR's. We place limited powder inventory for sale on a regular basis on our website. Hope its still the same burn rate? I used IMR4198 in my wife's 222 Rem, and have tried it in cast bullet guns from 22 Hornet to 45/70. 2023 Outdoor Sportsman Group. I use a case/cartridge headspace gauge to spot-check roughly 10 percent of my brass after completing case prep. . Shoots outstanding ! I have loaded 18.5 grs with a 55 gr bullet , still cycled the M16 action. #1789892 - 01/10/11 11:59 PM Re: 55 v-max and varget in bolt action .223 [Re: SShooterZ] DoubleUp Die Hard Member with a . A forum community dedicated to all firearm owners and enthusiasts. Thanks for the help guys. cartridge case severely limits how much you can vary bulletseating depth, so I havent done much of it. Let me ask you this. vMax shoot great in my Savage 110. Despite this, most of the powders used . Rick, Your 24.7gr of H4198 with the 39 & 40 is 2.2 gr more powder than Hodgdon recommends for the 33gr bullet. Still under powered when compared to Nato ammo. Single-metal bullets. It should be good for bullets up to at least 75 grains. It was in the Hornady manual and the power was available so I picked it up. IMR4198 or H-4198 8208 is also good.. at or near max loads. but with 55 gr. 0000006710 00000 n THANKS FOR THE GREAT PRODUCT AND SERVICE. Can't imagine the 223 would be much different. Since you are already at max, I would back down to around 21.0 grains. I'm dialing in RL15 and CFE223. I've only used it on 40 and 50 grain bullets but nothing heavier than that. I never tried 4198 in an AR because my experience with it in a bolt action .223 was severely underwhelming. If nothing else, this has been educational for me. Thats the major consideration when selecting compatible components. Mag, IMR-4198 was pretty much the go to powder for a couple decades. Subscribe to our monthly Newsletter to receive firearm news, product discounts from your favorite Industry Partners, and more. Choose a powder that best fills the case, about 80 to 90% and choose a powder that gives the highest velocity with the bullet you want. Doing some load development for the Savage Axis 223. Shoots consistently out of my muzzleloader. Following. Ive tried several of the swaging tools, but for me personally, the process is a hit-or-miss procedure. For a roll crimp to offer uniform results, cases must be trimmed to a uniform length. bullets in .223 Rem., IMR 4895 would be a better choice but in times of scarcity we must use what we can get. I think this is an excellent powder and will continue to use it for my 45-70 reloading. sometime since then, Hodgdon has gone back to Canadian-produced IMR-4198. H322 does ok with Nosler 40 grain BT's but runs just over an inch. Stick powders that meter like ball. I'm not a 223 shooter or owner however, with the two cartridges the 223 more less evolved from, the 222 Rem. I loaded ammunition with a variety of bullets, including the Hornady 55- and 60-grain Spire Points (w/o cannelure), 55-grain GMX, Nosler 60-grain Partition, 55-grain Trophy Bonded and Barnes 50-, 53- and 55-grain Triple-Shock X-Bullet, with each producing excellent results. As I recall the AR-15 had a 1-9 tist and the 55gr FMJ was the bullet used. intend on doing with this bullet, and what you intend shooting it out of. /x:^6"]eAfy(Pjch[nc2@:P%N!CvU}V5tFUs4ejng5bVCv[ In my Savage 10FP 1-10" twist my go to load is the 52 gr SMK with 19.8 gr of 4198 . Albert Einstein". Such data should be approached by working up from published starting loads. RifleShooter Magazine editor Scott Rupp breaks down all the features of the Mossberg Patriot Predator rifle chambered in 6.5 PRC. Most success is in bolt guns it seems. I believe, I am what is keeping it from its full potential. My RCBS powder measure hates this stuff. I scale my charges most of the time. For the reasons y'all posted above. My AR is a 16" Bushmaster M4 chambered in 5.56. Both are in the 24 - 25gr range. Competition shooters know that the bullets position in the chamber throat/leade can significantly affect accuracy. 223 Rem 243 Win 25-06 Rem 260 Rem 270 Win . trailer << /Size 86 /Info 51 0 R /Root 54 0 R /Prev 76483 /ID[<8a45f2eb061f912c269257afb89d4f83>] >> startxref 0 %%EOF 54 0 obj << /Type /Catalog /Pages 50 0 R /Metadata 52 0 R >> endobj 84 0 obj << /S 81 /Filter /FlateDecode /Length 85 0 R >> stream H4198 is outstanding in cartridges like the 222 Remington . Seems that most don't like it because of the problems with their powder measures - not because of accuracy issues. However, in direct-impingement ARs, the gas port diameter and how far its located along the barrel are fixed. I keep my muzzle velocity down around 1282 FPS. I got a 8 pound key of 4198 for my wifes bolt action 223. The .223 Remington was developed as a varmint cartridge. Just a note that if you research using IMR or H4198 you will find it's the most problematic powder for reloading AR's. Hodgdon IMR 4198 smokeless rifle powder is just the fast burning propellant you'll want for small bore varmint shooter rifle cartridges. It appears 4198 is not a good choice for AR type guns. Trade only. I thought they were different powders. 50 gr. This M1 Ball ammunition was designed for long-range machine-gun barrages, then a common military tactic, but by the time the Garand rifle appeared, the .50 BMG had taken over the long-range role, and .30-06 machine guns were primarily used at closer range. Hb```"V>M~ 'f 4cT8V_:`TEY eA% I take my grandson out shilooting every weekend and load up a hundred rounds of 223 every week for him. It works good in that straight walled cartridge. I've never used any of the H powders (4198,4831, etc) just to keep the number of variables down. Used to be when you asked about choosing a powder there was one answer. Several, including H335, BL-C(2), Varget, Benchmark, IMR 8208 XBR, H4895, and CFE 223 have proven to be the most versatile choices with all bullet weights. The accompanying data is intended for .223 Remington chamber dimensions and includes bullet weights ranging from 35 to 75 grains. One sighter shot, then 5 shots for group. of IMR4198 and 52gr bullets. I have one of the ancient Ohaus Du-o-Measures and while it cuts a kernel here and there, it meters far better than, say 4350. I bought IMR 4198 powder because it was listed on Hodgdon's website as a Military duplicate load. Great for small and large-bore rifle shooters; Exceptional performance in cartridges like the .222 Remington, .221 Fireball, .45-70, .450 Marlin, and the 7.62 x 39 . Buy 5 Lbs. April 17th, 2019 - Imr 4198 Powder Reloading Data I can find load data with 25 gr Hornady s using IMR 4198 but nothing with 20 N120 is one of the suggested 17 Hornet powders in the latest Hornady manual A few test loads for the 458 SOCOM using IMR 4198 Powder and 300 grain this load data There are two options for acquiring data on the Hodgdon . Next, remove the residual rim of brass around the pocket. The maximum listed by IMR for a 55 gr bullet was 21.5 gr back then (2001) and what i used. Most of my children started hunting deer and antelope with the .223 and have shot dozens of deer. These barrels offer good accuracy with 35- to 55-grain, lead-core bullets that include popular varmint and match designs. imr 4198 for 223 bolt action. While .224-inch thick bullet selection for the .223 Remington is broad and typically ranges in weight from 35 to 90 grains, terminal performance varies. IMR4198 is used by a lot of cast bullet shooters, loads are in many of the manuals. Depending on the pressure curve generated when firing a round, an AR may or may not function satisfactorily. Even at Hodgdon's starting load the primers are cratering and flattening beyond what I get with extruded powders. To get started, click the link below to visit mymagnow.com and learn how to access your digital magazine. Forum. Does not meter well from my XL650, but I check every charge by hand anyway. It quickly outsold the .222 Remington and the rather new .222 Remington Magnum, causing those two cartridges to quickly fall from popularity. Of course, Hodgdon provides load data for every bullet weight theyve tested with all compatible propellants yielding safe and reliable ballistic data. (it's been suggested these are Nosler over-run JSP slugs). Examples include the Hornady 53- grain V-MAX with a G1 BC of .290, the Nosler 55-grain Ballistic Tip (.267 BC) and Sierra 55-grain BlitzKing (.271 BC). Real world testing provided different results. They have to operate the gun safely and reliably before you can begin to evaluate their ballistic performance downrange. Right now I'm liking 24.5gr of RL15. H4198 worked better than the CFE BLK and would be a good second choice in powder for the 125 gr. how old was jan stenerud when he retired. You must log in or register to reply here. This powder is dyed grey-black and the powder kernels are cut longer to more resemble original, Canadian-made IMR-4198. Constitutional Carry may have a trap built in. When we are sold out, we are sold out. I have only shot 4198 in bolt guns, but there is no reason the ammunition would not work well in ARs. Extreme spread was .473, subtracting .223, and I have a .250 group! Your CFE 223 is more efficient for 69 gr. JavaScript is disabled. I tried 7 other powders. I have used it only in 444 Marlin. I weighed more than 10 different lot numbers of 5.56 cases from different manufacturers, as well as checking their water capacity. IT WORKS REALLY GOOD ON MY 223 AMMO RELOADS. I don't remember ever trying a different bullet but I might have. Exactly what I was looking for for my 52 and 53 grain rounds. In either AR action type, the buffer spring can be replaced to vary the spring rate over a limited range. Contributing Editor for RifleShooter Magazine, Brad Fitzpatrick gives us a review of this modernized version of an iconic favorite. *Must have a registered ARFCOM account to win. Varget Vs IMR4198 Donation Goal Donate Now Goal amount for this year: 6000 USD, Received: 5815 USD (97%) Our Annual server fund drive is going on now! Its my go-to powder for cast 308 loads in several rifles. 0000010557 00000 n of muzzle energy and really puts the Hornady Leverevoltion to shame. It worked great in my AR pistol but for the life of me I could not get it to cycle my rifle length gas system 18 AR rifle. I use the Hodgdon data to reload all my different rounds. How much of the 4198 do you have ? For the load data chart, I narrowed them down to varmint-hunting bullets and match bullets weighing from 52 to 77 grains, and I loaded them over W748, H335, BL-C(2), Varget, Benchmark, IMR 8208 XBR, CFE 223, and IMR 4166 propellants. 1, (4) Ruger M77 MKII All-Weather, (5) Mossberg MVP and (5) Ruger Mini-14 Ranch Rifle. Lever Action Pump Action Semi-Auto Single Shot . In spite of stiff competition, the .223 is easily the most widely used centerfire varmint cartridge in the world. Good old IMR 4895 had published loads for each of these cartridges. 0000007954 00000 n I don't like how Hornady splits up the 223/5. 78gn of IMR 4198 has shot about .75-1 MOA (5-shots groups) in my Hankins barreled action with the 275BE and 275MH. All RifleShooter subscribers now have digital access to their magazine content. IMR4198 is all Ive used in 223 and 222, since about 1982. External specifications of the two cartridges are identical and can be handloaded with the same dies; however, the 5.56 pressures are measured 1mm forward of the case mouth rather than on the case body. 0000003178 00000 n . I load 223 in my ar with either cfe 223 for the fmj loads and blc(2) for my varmint and sp loads. I get excellent accuracy from H-4198 with 52/53 grain match bullets. Sierra lists different maximums between bolt & autos. Item Number: 18607. I had some, didn't like it. windshield wiper broke off while driving. The load data says a min of 18.8 grains up to a maximum of 20.4. Shooter's Reference Load Data for .223 Remington .223 Remington - Published Manufacturer Loading Data Shellholders: Hornady #16 Lee #4 Lyman #26 RCBS #10 Recipe Type: Rifle 55,000 PSI STANDARD SAAMI COMMERCIAL SPECIFICATIONS Pistol CUSTOM LONG THROAT Reduced Load Bullet Weight: ALL 30 gr 34 gr 35 gr 36 gr 40 gr 42 gr 43 gr 45 gr 50 gr 51 gr 52 gr Just finished loading some IMR 4198 at 20.0, 20.5, and 21.0 for testing in my 16" AR. I'd move on from that powder to H-335 , IMR 8208xbr or 4895 , AR-comp , Varget , RL-15 the list goes on of powders that will cycle your action even at there start loads . Trying out Varget and. However, I can come close to the published maximums in any of my rifles, even the 26" barreled M-70. Let us know how it goes. A light roll crimp (achievable using most standard seating dies) is adequate. Good burn and accurate charges. If it works well or not depends a lot on the length of your gas system. JavaScript is disabled. 0000005092 00000 n It meters very consistent in my Dillon powder thrower. I use IMR 4198 with Sierra Matching 69 gr with very good results. Development of the .223 Remington began in 1957, and it became commercially available in January 1964, about a month prior to U.S. military adoption of its twin cartridge Cartridge, 5.56mm Ball, M193 for the AR-15/M16 rifle. If looking to acquire an automated powder-charge dispensing unit to speed up precision reloading, don't judge the RCBS ChargeMaster Lite powder scale and dispenser by its name; the Little Green machine packs a heavy-weight punch with speed and accuracy. New Hornady cases were used exclusively here and were uniform in weight, length, flash hole size, etc. Very few AR15's will cycle with H4198 but a few reportedly do. Ive seen a lot of his targets that further confirm the fact that accuracy in bolt actions can be improved in this manner. IMR 3031 Smokeless Powder Smokeless Powder IMR Powder Co. IMR 3031 1 Container Approximate net weight 1lb. Not normal. As I only reload what I shoot. Heav-ier bullets were excluded, as I am unaware of any commercially made .223 rifles with a twist rate faster than 1:8 (with the exception of the previously mentioned discontinued Savage rifles), which is generally necessary to stabilize select 75-grain and most 80- to 90-grain bullets. Ive used 4198 for a few different loads with .223. Looking for a 7mm rem mag bolt action or browning blr lever action browning bar.semi auto might be interested in other calibers also. Copyright Complaints: Please direct DMCA Takedown Notices to the registered agent: Handloading, Reloading, and Bullet Casting. Whether your equipment could or perhaps may have trouble metering it. riflesa CZ 527 bolt action and a Sun Devil SD-15 autoloaderto use for this report, and I built a lot of handloads to shoot in both guns. J. Scott Rupp takes a first look at the Springfield M1A Loaded rifle chambered in the popular 6.5 Creedmoor. Extremely versatile powder . Reloading data for 29 loads in caliber. Starting at 20.7g, and going up in .5g i. With an Accu-Fit stock and left hand adjustable bolt, this rifle is a perfect choice for anyone! I had about 250 pieces of Lake City (LC) 5.56 NATO brass already prepped and ready to load. There has been considerable commentary suggesting that the 5.56 NATO case has less capacity than the .223 Remington, and therefore loads must be reduced accordingly. 20.6 grains is my maximum with 52/53 grain bullets seated @ 2.250". Initially, sporting rifles chambered for the .223 Remington and mil-spec AR pattern rifles designed to fire the M193 Ball cartridge featured a 1:12 rifling twist. I is just kidding yaw. We do not take backorders and our Tech Services team cannot take orders via email or phone. Varmint shooters with small-bore cartridges love it. The most accurate load I use for both of my bolt rifles (1/12 & 1/9 twist) is 20-21gr. When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. Dont know about the Canada made or the new lots ADI (AR2215 ) made in Australia. I still scoop out my powder and dump it in the pan. "If you can't explain it to a six year old, you don't understand it yourself." It worked fine. The Remington Model Seven is ready, willing and able to handle just about any task. Great powder. All Rights Reserved. One new winner* is announced every week! Powder For Sale Northern Indiana (South Bend area). . I use IMR-4198 for my .30BR and 7.62x39 accuracy loads, and will be trying it out using pulled bullets from x39 ammo in x54R reduced recoil loads for my 110lb Granddaughter's scoped M-N 91/30. Will buy more when its available. The maxorder quantity of any powder SKU is, https://shop.hodgdon.com/sites/www/files/2022-04/2022-IMR%20Single%20Base%20SDS. All Rights Reserved. I taught my wife to reload years ago seemed to help with the misunderstanding part. All this guy needs for brush hunting deer in Maine ! If I find a bad one, I check the rest and put any that fail to fit the gauge aside. RL15 also meters well, I bought an 8lb jug of 4198 a couple years ago to do some volume loading. Make Offer With the trends toward heavier, low-drag, long-range bullets, several rifles chambered for .223 Remington are now offered with faster twist barrels. We need to get one thing straight. Current production IMR-4198 should be Canadian-made and can cycle most AR15's when loaded to maximum loads. But because of its grain size being so small. Tips, techniques, and equipment are applied to these classroom discussions on how to become more proficient and successful at making long-range shots while hunting with AR-platform rifles. These bullets can include lead tips, hollowpoints and plastic tips, with the most popular versions usually weighing between 35 and 55 grains. Proven metering and necessary elements were added to make it extremely insensitive to hot/cold temperatures. Is there any milsurp IMR8208 around anymore? This powder is one of the best that I have used I have been reloading for about 13 years now and I have relied on this powder for most of my rifle bullets needs. Good cycling out of the AR15. This is my Varmint load for my VTR-15 RIFLE (22" barrel). Remember, I am talking about bolt rifles. They typically weighed between 90.5 grains and 92.5 grains and on average held around 30.6 grains of water, measured level with the case mouth. Industry pressure guidelines for the .223 Remington were originally established at 52,000 CUP but today have been changed to 55,000 psi, while CIP is listed at 62,366 psi. bullet weight. "My barrel is a 1:8 twist though so I switched to a heavier bullet to tighten the groups.". Pressure tested at 55,000psi as per Hodgdon's Manual 2004. Hornady is now producing its ELD Match bullets in 52-, 73-, 75- and 80-grain weights. Has anybody ever worked up a load for .223 55 gr FMJBT using IMR4198? Used to be very popular in .221 FB, .222, and .223. With the changes made to military loads and the 5.56 NATO cartridge by 1980, the rifling twist of mil-spec AR rifles was changed to 1:7 to better accommodate ammunition that contained heavier bullets. Since reloading for my Mini-14 starting back in the mid 80's I've had excellent results with H335, BLC-2, Win 748, Acc 2230. I'm wondering if it would make sense because the cost to shoot is quite a bit less. It cycles perfectly with factory ammo, so I do not feel it is anything with the gun. More about them later. Barrel Break-In: What It Is. Benelli Lupo Bolt-Action Rifle Line Expanded with New Chamberings, Strasser RS 14 Evolution Consul III Bolt-Action Rifle: Full Review, Kimber Hunter Pro Desolve Blak - A Lightweight Heavy Hitter, Browning BLR Lightweight '81 Stainless Takedown Lever Rifle, Mossberg Patriot Predator 6.5 PRC Rifle Review, Review: Springfield Armory M1A Loaded Rifle in 6.5 Creedmoor, RCBS ChargeMaster Lite Review: Not 'Lite' on Ability, Remington Model Seven SS HS Bolt-Action Rifle Review. I've made many rounds of .223 using 19.6gr of H4198 under a Midway Dogtown 55gr SP, sparked with a CCI-400 non-magnum primer. (only). Metered beautifully, at the charges I was using, it was very dirty. The Ask the Pros & What's It Worth? 0000001721 00000 n When loading ammunition to be used in the field, and fired in a variety of actions and rifle types, I prefer a crimp to keep bullets in place. First powder I used in the .223 and good for making some accurate loads, but maybe a little fast for the cartridge. Ive weighed several hundred pieces having various headstamps and concluded, in most cases, the difference in ballistic performance is negligible. Couldn't hurt to try. I really liked this load. In checking commercial .223 Remington cases from Federal, Hornady, NoslerCustom, Remington and Winchester, weights varied from 89.5 to just under 95 grains. Examples include Ramshot TAC (left) and Accurate 2015 (right). I just cant find a load start/max charge and velocity and OAL for it. This combination has proven to be very good from a number of rifles, not only mine. First, almost all military and some commercial rounds have crimped-in primers. WARNING: This product contains chemicals known to the State of California to cause cancer and birth defects or other reproductive harm. Probably one of the best powders for use in 556 and 76239, very satisfied with my purchase. Thank you again. Kimber's Hunter Pro Desolve Blak takes the firm's more affordable mountain rifle to new heights. 09-10-2014, 10:25 PM #6 marshall623 Boolit Master Join Date Jan 2011 Location Va. Posts 656 Its the most accurate powder I've used in my 14" contender with 55gr. many years ago long before I had any interest in AR-15s, has reams of 223 Rem. 62gr: Code: Cartridge : .223 Rem. Good versatile powder, use it in 223/5.56 ands 300 Blackout subsonic rounds. The le-de-France (/ i l d f r s /, French: [il d fs] (); literally "Isle of France") is the most populous of the eighteen regions of France.Centred on the capital Paris, it is located in the north-central part of the country and often called the Paris Region (French: Rgion parisienne, pronounced [ej paizjn]). Copyright 1996-2023 AR15.COM LLC. 0000016068 00000 n Accurate Arms 2230 would be my preferred for those quick moving gas operated AR bolts shooting a 55 gr bullet seated in Federal brass.
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